Dutch Soldiers to Testify in Karadzic's Defense

"In Srebrenica at the time we had to protect ourselves from the Bosnian Muslims, rather than protect the Muslims from the Serbs", Dutch soldiers who served as UN peacekeepers in Srebrenica during the Bosnian civil war said in Belgrade. Photo: Dutch battalion in Srebrenica, 1995.
Dutch Soldiers from Srebrenica Battalion Offer to Testify in Karadzic's Defense
Some 15 Dutch soldiers of the former Netherlands battalion stationed in Srebrenica during the Bosnian civil war came to Belgrade on Wednesday, offering to testify in the Hague tribunal on behalf of Dr. Karadzic, a member of Radovan Karadzic's defense team Milivoje Ivanisevic told Vecernje Novosti.
"We talked about their possible testimony. They stressed that the Serbs did not commit war crimes against the Muslim civilians when they were passing through several dozen of their villages [in Srebrenica municipality] the Dutch soldiers were securing. They came over at their own expense and said they will testify and invite more of their fellow soldiers to testify too. They left Belgrade on Thursday," Ivanisevic said.
To see how relevant their testimonies would be, Ivanisevic talked to each Dutch soldier who came to Belgrade, individually, about when and where he was and what was he doing. Asked by Vecernje Novosti why haven't they showed up before to say what really happened in Srebrenica, Ivanisevic said he didn't pose that question, but added that Dutch soldiers complained there is a complete repression against them in Holland that had lasted for the past 10 years because they are blamed for allegedly "failing to protect Srebrenica".
"Perhaps the things are finally getting ripe now", Ivanisevic said. "They told me they came here in apprehension and worried, because they expected to be hated in Serbia just like back home. They said in Srebrenica at the time they had to protect themselves from the Muslims, rather than protect Muslims from the Serbs. Serb Army, according to them, was helping the Muslim women and their children, bringing them food and water", Ivanisevic conveyed the conversation he had with Dutch soldiers who were stationed in Srebrenica in 1995.
Orie Out
On Thursday, Radovan Karadzic received another good news -- Serbophobic judge Alphons Orie has been removed from the post of the head judge in the case against him. The decision was brought by the tribunal's president Fausto Pocar who ordered that the case is assigned to another council of judges.
The Hague staff rushed to assure the media Pocar's decision was not a result of Dr. Karadzic's request to exempt Orie from his case due to bellicose Serbophobia Orie had exhibited on numerous occasions. But Pocar's reasons for removing Orie from the process against Republic of Srpska first president are entirely irrelevant, as long as the goal has been achieved.
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Its About time those cowards stepped forward!, there are many many more who could come to the aid of Dr Karadzic AND tell the truth, but they wont. Why ? because they are ALL cowards!.
Sorry If it seems to be a rant, But Where were these pederi when Milosevic was on trail?. I am higly suspicious of this, because they did nothing in the beginning and now they want to help?. hmm too easy. Poor them they are being repressed in holland?, repressed for such a short time, the serbian nation and its people have been repressed for hundreds of years!. My orthodox heart forgives them for being weak and showing the world their lack of honor, But I will never forget and neither should any orthodox brother or sister.
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Posted by: БелиОраоСрбија | August 22, 2008 12:49 PM
I am so surprised! Not to find that some of the Dutch soldiers do know the truth, it's the fact that they came to Beograd on their own and that they will hopefully testify for our side! Amazing. I just hope they will be very careful about their own safety, if they do testify and obviously I do hope they will do so. Did I mention that all 67 UN "blue helmets" that were killed during the BiH war were obviously killed by the Muslims of Izetbegovic and the rest of the SDA? The source? Not my own fantasy but documents and books written, mostly in the West, since July 1995 and in one case I'm referring to a Dutch book 1996. That book labels the July 11 events as "war crimes" but I often say, that's unfounded as well.
Posted by: Marco | August 22, 2008 03:00 PM
Of course the issue with Orie is that another racist anti-Serb moron from a racist anti-Serb idiotic, dysfunctional Western (most likely) country will take his place but Dr. Karadzic has all the tools ready to shatter whoever is put in the chamber as judge. In particular, the names on his defence team are magnificent. People like Dr. Avramov and Dr. Ivanisevic are excellent, their books are amazing pieces of works about what Serbs have had to endure since 1941. Why can't all Dutch politicians, almost all media and all the people responsible for the spring robbery (at the European Swimming Championship) of Milorad Cavic be locked immediately? Oops, Holland would still have huge racism and drugs problem...what a mess
Posted by: Marco | August 22, 2008 03:08 PM
The "EU" in 1941. Notice the chillingly similar language.
http://forum.srpskinacionalisti.com/gallery/image.php?album_id=2&image_id=7735
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August 23, 2008 03:02 AM
I am interested in knowing the results, if any, of any forensics investigation done st Srebenica. How many bodies of military age men were discovered there and how many of them were identified as Bosnian Muslims? This is really the crux of the matter. The so-called "international community" also known as the "civilized world" (which is really nothing more than Europe west of the Oder river and North America minus Mexico and Central America) keeps bringing up the 7,000 death total.
I recall seeing on American television several years ago forensics teams digging up the remains of deceased persons supposedly at Srebenica. The deceased were identified as Bosnian Muslims, but I don't recall a specific number as to the deaths. Of course, anything that comes from the mainstream American and Western media has to be taken with a grain of salt, no matter what the subject is.
So, once again, how many Bosnian Muslim men of military men died from gunshot wounds and more important how were these wounds inflicted? Were they shot at very close range (a few meters) and what was the trajectory of the shots fired? Typically, if you going to massacre a large group of people, you do it at very close range (a few meters) and the trajectory of the shots is at most a few degrees variance from 180 degrees. Shots would be fired at the torso (not the legs or arms) because that is where the vital organs are. Even head shots could be discounted unless fired within a few inches from the head. In other words, they would be very close shots to administer a "coup de grace" to a person who did not die from the initial shots.
All of this has to be thoroughly investigated. For example, if the trajectory of the shots varies greatly from the 180 degree plane and at a much greater distance than a few meters, that would support the viewpoint that the dead died as a result of combat (no massacre).
If anyone has any information regarding a complete and exhaustive forensics investigation from a reliable source, please let me know.
In closing, let me say this: it is well established and known that the so-called Racak massacre was a staged event. Similarly, the number of dead in Kosovo was fewer than 3,000, nowhere near the 100,000 figure spouted by western propaganda. And the dead were of all ethnic and religious backgrounds and not all of them died violently.
Posted by: stric simo | August 23, 2008 09:40 AM
Serbia had a right to do what it did. And now that the muslims know that they can destroy our orthodox brothers and sisters with impunity, they will.
Posted by: Philip | August 24, 2008 09:48 AM
We can speak from experience that the Western media are far from unbiased.
They are just propaganda machines for the new world order that favours islamisation at the expense of democracy.
Posted by: Stephen Gash - SIOE | August 24, 2008 09:51 AM
Thank you Dutch soldiers! How brave you are! Of course Karadzic will still have an unfair trial, I highly doubt any testimony in his defense will be taken seriously in the court, because it's always the word of the muslims over the world of anyone else. As if the muslims are completely innocent in this war. First off all, it's their decades of provocations that caused the serbs to rise up against them, and they committed at least as many massacres during the war, but the media doesn't tell you that. In fact, sometimes dead serbs who were killed by muslims were portrayed on the news as dead muslims who were killed by serbs
Posted by: Cletus | August 24, 2008 12:21 PM
In my research from 3 years ago it turned out that they could not even link 600 death people to the missing persons list of the Red cross.
Posted by: Gurdjieff | August 24, 2008 01:42 PM
The truth for many of the public Europe has never been heard or told. What really happened in the former Yugoslavia? The facts have been covered over and the "peacekeeping" forces have at best been silenced.But the truth would be too unbelievable and too painful to be told.
It was pretty clear that a Muslim state could never be allowed in Europe.
Why does the Western Media fail to mention the Islamic fighters who flocked to fight in the former Yugoslavia? I am bound to a law known as the Official Secrets Act. Yet I see such injustice towards the Serb nation and why? Those dutch soldiers who have come forward are not cowards but are brave men who dare to stand up for the truth. They are putting their lives on the line for justice.
Soldiers witnessed many horrors of the Bosnian war, But they would of witnessed the amazing compassion and resolve of the people to help each other. Even when a person (Serb or not) had nothing they would embrace the peacekeepers and show them hospitality by giving them a drink or perhaps food.
No one ever mentions how in Knin the peacekeepers left the Serb enclave a month early only for Croation Paratroopers to invade. But how can that be, as it was a no fly zone? But soldiers follow orders and know not to ask questions.Perhaps the germans with their finacial interests in Croatia could answer this question? Maybe the Croat multi rocket launch system found by local Serb population just outside Knin with the instructions in "German" would perhaps make headlines? Or the fact that "sky TV" news showed the shelling of Knin when infact the person watching was indeed standing in Knin knowing that infact Knin was not being shelled but rather it was quiet?
Maybe the HAGUE needs to ask every Peacekeeper ..What really happened and release them from their "official Secrets Act"?
The Serbs I met were kind and generous it was the Croations who shot their own. It was the Muslim "fighters" that took aim of peacekeeping forces!
Let us tell the truth..
Posted by: Mystery Soldier | August 24, 2008 05:12 PM
They were brave?, where is the honor in watching as defenseless people are killed, yes a soldier is supposed to follow orders. But being a HUMAN BEING outweighs those orders. maybe their ROE didnt allow for them to fire upon the ustase, or muslims.But using that UN mandate to stop it would have been the right thing to do . I will belive it when i see a report from andy wilcoxson about their testimony at hauge. until then it is just a fairy tale.
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Posted by: БелиОраоСрбија | August 25, 2008 09:10 AM
БелиОраоСрбија-I'm sure there are many among the Dutch peacekeepers who would like to step forward and testify in defense of Dr. Karadzic but face threats to themselves and their families from their own cowardly government which has imposed the "official Secrets Act" and from the psychopathic islamomarxists jihadists that seem to have complete, unhindered, uncontrolled access to western europe. Apparently even the Hague judges are so "shitless" of these psychopaths that they only convict Serbs. The court is totally intimidated by the jihadist psychopaths. Remember these psychopath vermin are "dieing" for the opportunity to kill people. So any Dutch peacekeeper in the courtroom to testify for Kardzic would be "sitting ducks" unless allowed to carry a personal firearm.
Posted by: joesixpack31 | August 26, 2008 08:12 AM
The western media and the NWO "groupies" are selling out Western Civilization and the birthright of our children and grandchildren in exchange for the "crumbs" thrown to the political "elites" and their big business buddies. McCain for years has accepted campaign contributions (otherwise known as bribes) from albanian muslim crime syndicates in exchange for "pushing" their interests against Serbia on capitol hill. The Obama camp has been reporting $50M a month coming in to the campaign from unnamed sources. We can be certain this is NOT from interests seeking to spread world peace in the generally accepted sense or to improve US National Security for example by closing the US-Mexican border. It is clear from the policies and voting records of both candidates, these $$$'s are to "buy" policies of further "islamification" of Europe, the Balkans and Eurasia using US and NATO armed forces as pawns in the game. We saw the recent "power play" gone bad by Bush stooge Shaakassvili to increase the "encirclement" of Russia. These NWO "toadies" are way over reaching. This is NOT what Americans want their "bought out" political elitists doing. It is time for serious intervention by patriotic US and European military forces.
Posted by: joesixpack31 | August 26, 2008 01:20 PM
JoeSixPack you are right and I stand corrected, I am too militant at times. mystery soldier my apologies.
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Posted by: БелиОраоСрбија | August 26, 2008 01:32 PM
Its ok to be afraid to tell the truth, but look at it as a serb living in srbija . Not knowing if the next day will bring bombs, or you will be in the middle of a war. everyday life is uncertain, your money has little or no value outside of your country, anyone who wonders why people escape from srbija to live in other countries. just ask them, most will tell you the truth. I would love to hear from the dutch F-16 pilots who took part in the illegal bombing of the federal republic of jugoslavija/ srbija. At least the spanish pilots refused to bomb the civilians fleeing the war zones, they were replaced right after with more willing murderers.
I will share a story with all of my brothers and sister
I was in beograd srbija sept 2007 there was a Military graduation ceremony, and some military jets (orao) flew right at roof top level over knez mihajlo, and let me tell you something people were f*cking scared! .They were looking at the sky, and there was real fear in their eyes, buildings shook, people got ready to run away from the noise. But I saw it in peoples eyes and on their faces. My heart was pounding I thought WTF!!?? are they bombing beograd again !??. What Did I get myself into?? then after a short pause another orao flew over and then 4 flew over. AH airshow maybe?? . I was saying to myself GOTOVO!. But it was just a military ceremony.
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Posted by: БелиОраоСрбија | August 26, 2008 01:48 PM
This sounds too good to be true. And if it is true, I have a feeling those peace keepers will never see their day in court. After all that has happened, after the way people around the world have been treating Serbian people I don't have any hope left.
Posted by: Hristiani | August 28, 2008 01:40 PM